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Re: [Distutils] BDFL Delegates for distutils-sig PEPs

From: Marcus Smith <qwc...@gmail.com>
Sat, 5 Sep 2015 15:31:05 -0700
is this a response to other thread about how/where to store specs and PEPs?
If not, what in this email are you responding to?

On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 1:32 PM, Donald Stufft <don...@stufft.io> wrote:

> If it’s more useful we could also just use an RFC repository like Rust> does instead of doing a mishmash between having Python using PEPs and> packaging using PEPs.>> On September 4, 2015 at 11:42:21 PM, Nick Coghlan (ncog...@gmail.com)> wrote:> > We've got to a point where the original standing delegations to myself> > and Richard Jones to act as BDFL-Delegates for metadata> > interoperability and pypi.python.org related aren't scaling> > adequately, so given Paul's recent delegation for PEP 470, and Donald> > handling PEP 503 directly, it seems like an opportune time to put> > something in writing about that.> >> > For PyPA/distutils-sig specific PEPs, we've effectively adopted the> > following approach to assigning BDFL-Delegates in resolving PEPs 470> > and 503:> >> > =================================> > Whenever a new PEP is put forward on distutils-sig, any PyPA core> > reviewer that believes they are suitably experienced to make the final> > decision on that PEP may offer to serve as the BDFL's delegate (or> > "PEP czar") for that PEP. If their self-nomination is accepted by the> > other PyPA core reviewer, the lead PyPI maintainer and the lead> > CPython representative on distutils-sig, then they will have the> > authority to approve (or reject) that PEP.> > =================================> >> > And translating the nominated roles to the folks currently filling> > them: "lead PyPI maintainer" = Donald Stufft; "lead CPython> > representative on distutils-sig" = me.> >> > "PyPA core reviewer" isn't a term we've previously used, but I'm> > aiming to capture "has approval rights for pull requests to one or> > more of the PyPA maintained source code or documentation repos".> >> > Some further details for the benefit of folks not aware of the relevant> history:> >> > * a couple of years ago, we amended PEP 1 to give the "Discussions-To"> > header some additional force for PEPs which don't directly affect> > CPython: """PEP review and resolution may also occur on a list other> > than python-dev (for example, distutils-sig for packaging related PEPs> > that don't immediately affect the standard library). In this case, the> > "Discussions-To" heading in the PEP will identify the appropriate> > alternative list where discussion, review and pronouncement on the PEP> > will occur."""> >> > * we *didn't* update the section about assignment of BDFL-Delegates.> > Instead, I received a general delegation for packaging metadata> > interoperability PEPs, and Richard Jones received one for> > pypi.python.org related PEPs> >> > * Richard subsequently passed the latter delegation on to Donald,> > since Donald had taken over as the lead maintainer for PyPI> >> > The section in PEP 1 for CPython BDFL-Delegates reads as follows:> > =================================> > However, whenever a new PEP is put forward, any core developer that> > believes they are suitably experienced to make the final decision on> > that PEP may offer to serve as the BDFL's delegate (or "PEP czar") for> > that PEP. If their self-nomination is accepted by the other core> > developers and the BDFL, then they will have the authority to approve> > (or reject) that PEP.> > =================================> >> > This process can be appropriately described as "volunteering to be> > blamed" - if a PEP from a less experienced contributor subsequently> > proves to be a mistake, that's on the BDFL-Delegate for saying "Yes",> > not on the PEP author for proposing it. Mostly though, it's so there's> > someone to have the final say on the fiddly little details that go> > into getting from a general concept to an actual implementation,> > without getting mired down in design-by-committee on every incidental> > detail.> >> > As PEP authors, we'll also often ask someone else specifically to> > volunteer as BDFL-Delegate, because we trust their judgement in> > relation to the topic at hand (e.g. I asked Martin von Löwis to be> > BDFL-Delegate for the original ensurepip PEP because I knew he was> > skeptical of the idea, so a design that passed muster with him was> > likely to have suitably addressed the ongoing maintainability> > concerns. Guido did something similar when he asked Mark Shannon to be> > BDFL-Delegate for PEP 484's gradual typing).> >> > Regards,> > Nick.> >> > P.S. It's becoming clear to me that I should probably write a> > companion PEP to PEP 1 that specifically describes distutils-sig's> > usage of the PEP process (and how that differs from the normal CPython> > processes), but hopefully this post provides sufficient clarification> > for now.> >> > --> > Nick Coghlan | ncog...@gmail.com | Brisbane, Australia> > _______________________________________________> > Distutils-SIG maillist - Dist...@python.org> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/distutils-sig> >>> -----------------> Donald Stufft> PGP: 0x6E3CBCE93372DCFA // 7C6B 7C5D 5E2B 6356 A926 F04F 6E3C BCE9 3372> DCFA>>> _______________________________________________> Distutils-SIG maillist  -  Dist...@python.org> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/distutils-sig>

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