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Re: [Distutils] BDFL Delegates for distutils-sig PEPs

From: Donald Stufft <don...@stufft.io>
Sat, 5 Sep 2015 16:32:13 -0400
If it’s more useful we could also just use an RFC repository like Rust does instead of doing a mishmash between having Python using PEPs and packaging using PEPs.

On September 4, 2015 at 11:42:21 PM, Nick Coghlan (ncog...@gmail.com) wrote:
> We've got to a point where the original standing delegations to myself> and Richard Jones to act as BDFL-Delegates for metadata> interoperability and pypi.python.org related aren't scaling> adequately, so given Paul's recent delegation for PEP 470, and Donald> handling PEP 503 directly, it seems like an opportune time to put> something in writing about that.>  > For PyPA/distutils-sig specific PEPs, we've effectively adopted the> following approach to assigning BDFL-Delegates in resolving PEPs 470> and 503:>  > =================================> Whenever a new PEP is put forward on distutils-sig, any PyPA core> reviewer that believes they are suitably experienced to make the final> decision on that PEP may offer to serve as the BDFL's delegate (or> "PEP czar") for that PEP. If their self-nomination is accepted by the> other PyPA core reviewer, the lead PyPI maintainer and the lead> CPython representative on distutils-sig, then they will have the> authority to approve (or reject) that PEP.> =================================>  > And translating the nominated roles to the folks currently filling> them: "lead PyPI maintainer" = Donald Stufft; "lead CPython> representative on distutils-sig" = me.>  > "PyPA core reviewer" isn't a term we've previously used, but I'm> aiming to capture "has approval rights for pull requests to one or> more of the PyPA maintained source code or documentation repos".>  > Some further details for the benefit of folks not aware of the relevant history:>  > * a couple of years ago, we amended PEP 1 to give the "Discussions-To"> header some additional force for PEPs which don't directly affect> CPython: """PEP review and resolution may also occur on a list other> than python-dev (for example, distutils-sig for packaging related PEPs> that don't immediately affect the standard library). In this case, the> "Discussions-To" heading in the PEP will identify the appropriate> alternative list where discussion, review and pronouncement on the PEP> will occur.""">  > * we *didn't* update the section about assignment of BDFL-Delegates.> Instead, I received a general delegation for packaging metadata> interoperability PEPs, and Richard Jones received one for> pypi.python.org related PEPs>  > * Richard subsequently passed the latter delegation on to Donald,> since Donald had taken over as the lead maintainer for PyPI>  > The section in PEP 1 for CPython BDFL-Delegates reads as follows:> =================================> However, whenever a new PEP is put forward, any core developer that> believes they are suitably experienced to make the final decision on> that PEP may offer to serve as the BDFL's delegate (or "PEP czar") for> that PEP. If their self-nomination is accepted by the other core> developers and the BDFL, then they will have the authority to approve> (or reject) that PEP.> =================================>  > This process can be appropriately described as "volunteering to be> blamed" - if a PEP from a less experienced contributor subsequently> proves to be a mistake, that's on the BDFL-Delegate for saying "Yes",> not on the PEP author for proposing it. Mostly though, it's so there's> someone to have the final say on the fiddly little details that go> into getting from a general concept to an actual implementation,> without getting mired down in design-by-committee on every incidental> detail.>  > As PEP authors, we'll also often ask someone else specifically to> volunteer as BDFL-Delegate, because we trust their judgement in> relation to the topic at hand (e.g. I asked Martin von Löwis to be> BDFL-Delegate for the original ensurepip PEP because I knew he was> skeptical of the idea, so a design that passed muster with him was> likely to have suitably addressed the ongoing maintainability> concerns. Guido did something similar when he asked Mark Shannon to be> BDFL-Delegate for PEP 484's gradual typing).>  > Regards,> Nick.>  > P.S. It's becoming clear to me that I should probably write a> companion PEP to PEP 1 that specifically describes distutils-sig's> usage of the PEP process (and how that differs from the normal CPython> processes), but hopefully this post provides sufficient clarification> for now.>  > --> Nick Coghlan | ncog...@gmail.com | Brisbane, Australia> _______________________________________________> Distutils-SIG maillist - Dist...@python.org> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/distutils-sig>  
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